Recently I spent time behind the counter at Clinique and what I found completely shocked me. I’d like to share what I discovered lurking behind those overly made-up friendly faces.
1- The vast majority of cosmetic counter sales people don’t know anything about skincare except for what their line tells them. They truly believe in what they’re telling you but their knowledge is not based on fact. Their knowledge is based on what the company wants you believe so that you’ll buy the product. The only reliable information you will get about your personal skincare needs is from your Dermatologist, an All-Star (read on for All-Star info) …oh, and this blog!
2- It’s all about money, money, money. Macy’s never bothered training me on Clinique product knowledge except the very basics of what I needed to know to sell, sell, sell. They taught me about each products supposed miracle benefits and buzzword ingredients to use on customers ('antioxidant' was a big one but ask someone what it actually does for your skin and they'll draw a blank) They never talked about actual skincare. Only how to sell your product.
3- These women do not care about you. One of the first things Macy’s taught me was how to ‘earn a customers trust’. That is, find out your first name and use it frequently. Find out what you’re most concerned about and then play on that flaw and try to convince you that the problem area can only be fixed with their product.
4- This is a cut-throat industry which pits sales people against sales people. Before I started my position at Clinique, I went to a counter girl and introduced myself as the new Clinique employee. She graciously told me to “watch my back, don’t tell anyone anything about yourself “and that working their was like being in high-school again. She couldn't’ have been more accurate in her description!
Sales are checked hourly and Clinique Proper calls every day at 3pm to check your numbers. Counter girls must run a check hourly on what they’ve sold. Oh, God help you if you aren’t selling.
5- It is a myth that counter girls get free product and most do not use the product lines they actually work for. On their meager hourly rates and pitiful 3% commission, they can’t afford to. Each line has a ‘gratis’ program wherein you get maybe $100 every three months to spend on their product after you’ve been employed for 6 months. That’s enough money to buy one skincare product.
6- That brings me to theft. I'm not saying that counter people are thieves but I saw people stealing product at an alarming rate. One girl I worked with would make deals with her friends at different counters and then trade merchandise. I remember she wanted the new Ed Hardy fragrance and traded a huge bag of Clinique stuff. When I reported it, the department manager sold me out and I became a pariah at Clinique. It was one of the worst experiences at a job in my life. Good girls finish last in the Beauty Biz.
7- The women who are most successful are the most evil. I have seen them undercut other sales people right in front of the customers and it happened to me countless times. I’m sure at home with their friends and family they are caring, have integrity and are basically good people. But once they put on their uniforms and punch in the clock, it’s war. And as the saying goes, “all’s fair in love and war.”
8- Every counter has small cups they can fill for you with any product you want to try and can give you samples of the products they carry. They just don’t want to. They do not want you leaving the counter without blowing ching so sending you away with a sample is the last thing they want to do. You’ll try their lackluster moisturizer and never return.
9- If a salesperson spends too much time providing you with customer service, they will receive a warning. I, myself, was brought into the Macy's 'Idea Room" and given a warning for spending too much time with each customer. If you leave a counter after a salesperson has spent time with you, they will track you around the department. If you end up buying from another product line, they'll say mean things about you behind your back.
10- There are exceptions to all these rules! That’s why I’ll be listing the best counter people, my All-Stars, starting with Mary Ogdahl at the Southdale Macy's Dior counter in Edina, MN. In a later post, I’ll share with you what a real sales person should do, say and provide you with as a consumer. Mary is a Dior All-Star and has managed to maintain a clientele with her amazing skincare and product line knowledge, willingness to spend time with her clients and her obvious dedication to Makeup & Skincare! Plus, she is so nice! I wish all the women employed as Cosmetic Sales could be like Mary.
There are other, much better, options and alternatives (Hello, Sephora!) available for purchasing cosmetics and skincare and I will share them with you in a later post.
Saturday, February 7, 2009
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This is horrible, maybe that is how YOU experienced your short lived career, but why write a headline like this when you hadn't even worked for Lancôme? I genuinely care about my clients, you shouldn't post things that you know nothing about. I am a Nursing student and I have the entire skin memorized, and I have been heavily educated on skincare at seminars which I have experienced with Lancôme, Clinique, and Shiseido. I know what my products do, and as a Lancôme girl this is offensive and I hope no one reads this and believes this 100%. Just because you worked for Clinique for a short while doesn't mean you know what you're talking about, FYI Lancôme sends us a new product every time it comes out, and after that, they send it annually. You are generalizing the cosmetics industry and if you believe Sephora is a good place to buy make up you are surely mistaken. Their products are unsanitary, and customer service is terrible. I worked for Clinique and the reason that foundation samples are the only thing given out is because there isn't a guarantee on the cleanliness of creams and other products in jars. I spend hours with clients and I am praised, you can't write about things like this when you have little experience. It's offensive to those of us that have to make a living working at a counter, we don't get to sit and blog all day, like you.
ReplyDeleteThank you! I am a Lancome lady and find this offensive and untrue.
DeleteI completely agree with Haley. I work for Lancome and I disagree with everything in this post. And I know it's not just Lancome because our Clinique girls would definitely disagree as well. Granted, I don't work for Macy's so I can't speak for that company but this isn't even close to true. I value every single one of my customers and have built incredible relationships with them. I genuinely believe in the product I sell and I take the time to find out my customers needs and what would work best for them. On top of that, I'm incredibly close to all of the Clinique, Lauder, and fragrance girls. We are by no means against each other (you're right, commission is very minimal so why would we be against each other?). I would get in a lot of trouble if I didn't spend a lot of time with my customers and when I do and my counter gets busy, one of the Clinique or Lauder girls comes over and helps out because we all want each other to do well. Maybe I work in a very unique situation but this post couldn't be farther from the truth in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteThis post makes me really sad. I work for a Macy's in the same district as you and that's completely not how our Macy's works. We have an incredible and talented team of staff and managers alike. We get a lot of support from other departments and our sales managers and store manager. We truly love our products and customers and make meaningful relationships with the customers that we meet. We make recommendations based on the best interest of the customer and not our sales goals. My Macy's feels like a family of amazing people.
ReplyDeleteYou must have found the worst Macy's on earth to work at. I worked for Clinique and had extensive training on skincare, got hundrrds of dollars each quarter for gratis and received lots of cudos for a job well done. I cared about my customer and was trained well. You need to find something else to blog about because your experience doesn't reflect the truth.
ReplyDeleteYou must have found the worst Macy's on earth to work at. I worked for Clinique and had extensive training on skincare, got hundrrds of dollars each quarter for gratis and received lots of cudos for a job well done. I cared about my customer and was trained well. You need to find something else to blog about because your experience doesn't reflect the truth.
ReplyDeleteYou must have found the worst Macy's on earth to work at. I worked for Clinique and had extensive training on skincare, got hundrrds of dollars each quarter for gratis and received lots of cudos for a job well done. I cared about my customer and was trained well. You need to find something else to blog about because your experience doesn't reflect the truth.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why you would post this as if this is true for all Beauty Advisors. I work at a Lancome counter in a department store and I care deeply about my customers, we have great relationships and I'm always honest about my products. I have a large knowledge about skin, skin care, and ingredients and so do the Clinique girls in my store. Maybe you were just ill equipped for the job because it is not their job to train you on skin care, you should know that stuff before you go on. They're SUPPOSED to only train you on the products because you should be knowledgable enough to work there in the first place.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why you would post this as if this is true for all Beauty Advisors. I work at a Lancome counter in a department store and I care deeply about my customers, we have great relationships and I'm always honest about my products. I have a large knowledge about skin, skin care, and ingredients and so do the Clinique girls in my store. Maybe you were just ill equipped for the job because it is not their job to train you on skin care, you should know that stuff before you go on. They're SUPPOSED to only train you on the products because you should be knowledgable enough to work there in the first place.
ReplyDeleteIt really seems like it's Clinique that has the issue. I'm so offended. Lancome is the number one luxury cosmetics brand in the world - how dare you put us on the same level as Clinique. We would never treat our clients this way. You should change your title because it is not true.
ReplyDeleteIt really seems like it's Clinique that has the issue. I'm so offended. Lancome is the number one luxury cosmetics brand in the world - how dare you put us on the same level as Clinique. We would never treat our clients this way. You should change your title because it is not true.
ReplyDeleteI'm a Clinique Counter Manager and I put my heart into every day that I work with my clients, I enjoy every moment with them and if I don't think my products will truly help them, I call my partner over at Estee Lauder... seriously, we are a team and we care for our clients. Each and every one of them. And because of that we have regular visits and amazing relationships with our customers. Nothing you described is accurate. I'm never checked up on, but encouraged. I have received a lot of praise for the two of us working together, and I have brought our counters from the worst in the region all the way up to 2nd place.... AND unlike some, I would NEVER insult another brand, so keep that in mind.
ReplyDeleteI work for Lancôme as well and this post ticked me off. I couldn't be fake to a customer if I tried. Also I am told how every single one of my products is applied, what it is made of, and exactly what they do to your skin... so don't feed me with that bullshit. Yeah sometimes you get a bad associate but you shouldn't blame the whole company. And I bet the Macy's you worked for is probably one of the Macy's that got shut down. Oh and as far as the salary goes, you get what you work for. People just like to complain...
ReplyDeleteCan you explain how Lancome gratis works? Do you get gratis at the week long training? And is gratis just a monetary amount to be spent or do they send stuff too? I'm confused and supposed to start soon.
ReplyDeleteAmen!!! I couldn’t have said it better myself! Clinique sends their consultants out a couple of times a year to seminars to learn and teach about their lines and skincare. The lab coats are a bow to the fact that Clinique was the first prestige brand to be dermatologist tested and was in fact developed by a leading dermatologist. Thank you Hayley for being so eloquent in defending our brands!
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